Too much grace

20 07 2007

Mercy had an interesting encounter recently with a christian from a certain church that emphasized on Grace. The question of “Once saved always saved” that one would question the position of a Christian who received Jesus but continue to Sin, will he or she go to heaven?

The idea of once saved always saved, needs to be examined under a common ground – that a Christian when he or she said the Sinner’s prayer, is saved. For all who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved! But where does that leads us? We all have a responsibility in our walk with Jesus, Jesus has paid the full penalty of our iniquities on the Cross and now we are charged to walk right with him, that in short, our conversion must bring forth fruits of repentance, or the axe will be there to cut down all the trees that do not bear fruits.

Does that to mean we have to work for our salvation? No, by His Grace, we are saved with no merit on our own, but we are charged with the responsibility to work out our salvation with fear and wonder. The consistency of the message that we ought to look out that we might not fall through the New Testament is clear. That many will fall away in the end times, and many who will call out to Jesus Jesus, but they will not be let into the Kingdom of God.

When we take the stand of this church’s teachings, where is the FEAR OF GOD? that we have the license to sin? There ought to be a balance, and most important, the fear of the Lord is beginning of all wisdoms! Not holding on to an extreme view of God’s grace for us!



8 responses

20 07 2007

Hi brother,

Totally agree with you. Next time simply refer these “grace-ful” “Christians” to these verses:

Exodus 32:33
The LORD replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

Now why would Abba Father and Jesus promise that they would blot out our names if we are once saved, ALWAYS saved??? We have the duty of remaining in Christ:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Matthew 16:24 also Matthew 10:38, Mark 8:34 & Luke 9:23

20 07 2007

Good article. Many do have cheap grace. The flip side is that there will always be a struggle a battle between darkness and light I don’t think much of the church talks about this for that matter that they address sin much anymore the sin subject has largely become taboo – but then again for what cause are we saved?

20 07 2007

Men of God of two centuries past saw the ‘religious’ unsaved as those who had converted to Christianity but not to Christ. Though outwardly moral and verbally orthodox, the false professor is without personal
knowledge of Christ. This subject of being a stranger to Christ was the touchstone that permeated the messages of our predecessors when they addressed nominal Christianity.

Instead of the Sanctification & Regeneration Work of the Holy Spirit, we are relying on a one-time personal confession for an instant self- decisional regeneration. How about an instant self degeneration?

Regeneration is the spiritual change wrought in the heart of man by the Holy Spirit in which his/her inherently sinful nature is changed so that he/she can respond to God in Faith, and live in accordance with His Will (Matt. 19:28; John 3:3,5,7; Titus 3:5). It extends to the whole nature of man, altering his governing disposition, illuminating his mind, freeing his will, and renewing his nature.

Matt3.11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

20 07 2007


I dunno if this is ‘coincident’ but I just read another blog with almost the same title.

*oops i just realised your blog is posted 4days ago.

But anyhows, here’s the link for an exchange of views 🙂

In His Grip,

23 07 2007
Malcolm Loh

Shalom brother Dan

Looks like Angie reads your blog and mine 🙂

It is interesting that you ask the question whether a Christian who “continues to sin” will go to heaven.

What is the definition of sin here? Overt ones like “murder” and “adultery”? Or should it include less “obvious” ones like “worry” and “unforgiveness” as well?

I have some thoughts on this topic, and I look forward to hearing your views 🙂

23 07 2007

Yup she does.

Well there are basically two types of SIN which were mentioned in the scripture.

When Paul wrote in Romans 3:23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The Sin is the Sin of Adam of which the entire human race shares the spiritual condition of perpetual rebellion against God.

The other is basically our sin, in which every human will commit against God, breaking the very law of God – lying, murdering etc.

Within the second category, which we mainly deal in the Christ redemption of human race, from the Sin of Adam, human nature is fallen and when Christ’s death on the Cross, he offered redemption from both, but we continue to struggle with the second one, because until our fallen nature is replaced by the quickening of a new nature when we get to heaven, the second type of Sin is where our concern of struggles lie.

Be it habitual or occasional, the lure of Sin is broken down into several categories, one especially ‘habitual’ is in the area of sexual sin. The scriptures state plainly that all Sins are transgression against God and His holy laws, except Sexual Sins, where it is more than just transgressions against a Holy God, but transgressions against our own body (Mind, body and Soul). And as such, there are many problems as habitual sins offer, that attached to sexual sins and especially terrible.

There are alot more to what’s SIN and its place in a Christian life, or a non Christian life.

23 07 2007

Hello Dan & Malcolm

i’m glad both of you have been ‘introduced’. 🙂

As I was telling my uncle last week, (btw, i’ve also recommended both your blogs to him) that i find 2 kinds of christians out there. One who opposes (to alot of things) and one who embraces (but not everything). There’s nothing wrong with either of them. i think. :p we’re taught not to be lukewarm rite? 😀

Although i’m very much subscribed to Malcolm’s train of thoughts and believes, i read yours frequently becos mabbe your style of writing reminds me very much of my dear uncle. He has always taught/cautioned me to maintain balance.

It’s like the role of a father & a mother in the family. The father disciplines while the mother sayang. But that doesn’t mean the father does not love the children or the mother give in to every bad behaviour. Erm.. am i confusing you ppl? :p

Anyway, I thank God for christian brothers like both of you who have ministered & ministering alot others other than me with your love for the Truth.

May His grace & favor abounds in both your lives & ministries 😉


25 07 2007
Malcolm Loh

Hi Dan

You’ve heard of the saying “the world is so small”?

Well, looks like blogosphere is equally small, because I discovered that you have links to Angie’s, Barnz’s and CybeRanger’s blogs.

I have not met Angie, CybeRanger or you, but Barnz happens to be my pastor (well, at least until 31 Jul, after which he is moving to Cairnhill).

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